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@Ursus, with that range of variation, you are well within your rights to get a second example!  There are French feudal issues that I was collecting variants of from the onset.  Didn't give it a second thought.  

@ChrisB, Congratulations on a Stunning Fatimid dinar!  The nearest to one I have is an 11th-c. CE tari of a very nominally Fatimid, de facto autonomous emir of Sicily.  But that one doesn't even have the traditional Fatimid motifs.  For that, the nearest is another one, a late Lombard imitation from southern Italy.

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But bouncing off of those, along with contemporary Normans, I've always wanted a real Fatimid example to round things out --yes, even from much further afield.  ...That's really a brilliant example.  The legends are pristine --this is when I wish I could read Arabic.

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I just found time to take pictures and write attributions for the two pfennige below. I bought them earlier this year for little money. They are common examples of the characteristic 14th century coins from northern Bavaria, albeit in attractive condition:

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Bishopric of Bamberg, under Leopold I von Grundlach, AR pfennig, 1296–1303 AD. Obv: LVPOLDVS EPC, bust of bishop facing, wearing mitre. Rev: BABENBERG, church with cross on pediment between two towers; in pediment, trefoil; in archway, flower. 16mm, 0.45g. Ref: Krug 92.

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Bishopric of Regensburg, under Johann I von Moosburg, AR pfennig, 1384–1409 AD. Obv: bust of bishop facing, raising r. hand in gesture of blessing and holding crosier in l. hand. Rev: shield with civic arms: two crossed keys. 18mm, 0.82g. Emmerig 250.

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One of my recent coins.  The obverse is similar to the profile of the ruler depicted on the denarii of Bruno III, count of Friesland. The reverse is uncnown to me.  I would greatly appreciate an identification of this denar! 

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Hi Annes,

I'm just going through Ilisch for this, plate by plate.  --No, it's a very welcome way of getting a little better acquainted with the whole monograph!  Nothing yet.  But you obviously have an impressively practiced eye for the underlying stylistic varieties between regions, yes, in the same neighborhood. 

I'm hoping to finish an OP on a range from Boulogne to Frisia to Lower Lotharingia,  running heavily to your examples.  :<}

 

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I have an interest in the Germanic tribes of the Migration Period, and bought this from Numismatica Ars Classica based on the description as a "Ostrogoth. Gepid." quarter siliqua (13mm 0. and 51 gr) from Sirmium. NAC had four similar siliquas and dated it to 491-518. Based on research of the style and legend DN ANAAS – TASIVS on the obverse and P-D o monogram with cross above in a wreath on the reverse I think it is Ostrogoth in the style of Theodoric's monogram. Not really sure because it is not Theodoric's monogram with the R, reverse S, D and transverse line. It is not in "The Sirmium Group" article by Faltin. I only found the reverse as CNG 63, Lot: 1602 from 2003 which states it is in the 494 to 504 years, the Gepid period before Ostrogoth rule, but CNG admits it is not in Brunsmid and Stefan. numista.com puts it at the very broad 491-567 era. The portrait is very crude and the monogram on this is very clear. I would appreciate any solid insights to the monogram and likely years it was minted. Is this a Gepid client ruler in Sirmium after Theodoric's conquest or just an unskilled mintmaker during Ostrogoth rule in Sirmium? Did the Gepid population stay in place after the Ostrogoths came in or did they relocate? Thanks.

https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=37171

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces144461.html

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It's been quite a while since I last posted a latest medieval

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BERNHARD II BILLUNG as DUKE of SAXONY (1011-1059)
AR18mm, 1.31g, silver pfennig, minted at Luneburg, ca. 1018/20-1030.
BERNHARDX; crosslet
+ IN NOMINE D[NI]; dot in middle field
REF: Dannenberg 589a

 

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I have an interest in the Germanic tribes of the Migration Period, and bought this from Numismatica Ars Classica based on the description as a "Ostrogoth. Gepid." quarter siliqua (13mm 0. and 51 gr) from Sirmium. NAC had four similar siliquas and dated it to 491-518. Based on research of the style and legend DN ANAAS – TASIVS on the obverse and P-D o monogram with cross above in a wreath on the reverse I think it is Ostrogoth in the style of Theodoric's monogram. Not really sure because it is not Theodoric's monogram with the R, reverse S, D and transverse line. It is not in "The Sirmium Group" article by Faltin. I only found the reverse as CNG 63, Lot: 1602 from 2003 which states it is in the 494 to 504 years, the Gepid period before Ostrogoth rule, but CNG admits it is not in Brunsmid and Stefan. numista.com puts it at the very broad 491-567 era. The portrait is very crude and the monogram on this is very clear. I would appreciate any solid insights to the monogram and likely years it was minted. Is this a Gepid client ruler in Sirmium after Theodoric's conquest or just an unskilled mintmaker during Ostrogoth rule in Sirmium? Did the Gepid population stay in place after the Ostrogoths came in or did they relocate? Thanks.

https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=37171

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces144461.html

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Good morning.
This coin is well known in the scholarly world. It has already been published in the Gennari 2017 catalog under group 3b (which he defines as transitional style) nr 127c and has already previously passed the NAC auction.
You can download the study with the attached catalog from this address:
https://www.academia.edu/34861693/The_Sirmium_group_about_the_so_called_Gepids_siliquae_With_a_specific_catalogue_2_nd_edition_Il_gruppo_di_Sirmium_sulle_cosiddette_silique_dei_Gepidi_Con_annexo_uno_specifico_catalogo_2_a_edition_PRINTING_FORTHCOMING

 

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Certainly it was a very complete work for 2017 but now we have "discovered" many other specimens, not to mention those recently found in Serbia and not passed through auctions and the contemporary fakes that are multiplying.
Many hundreds of pieces have not yet been published and even the rarity of some types must be completely revised.

I have to correct you because the legend on the obverse is DИ ΛИΛS-TΛSIVS. the monogram on the reverse is similar to number 17. I attach below a synoptic table of the monograms published in 2017. More have been identified now.

And, no, the style of the monogram is not at all similar to those of Theodoric coins. If not for a very distant degree of kinship
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In Gennari's study you will also find his hypotheses about the Sirmium mint and who minted these coins. Hypotheses that are not shared by all scholars.
You can also read the study by Z. Demo: NEW INFORMATION ABOUT AN OLD PROBLEM (A contribution to knowledge about the distribution and circulation of coins of the so-called “Sirmium” group). You can also find this on academia.edu.
You ask some very interesting questions but, in reality, there is no certain information and sufficient archaeological data to define the historical framework of that portion of history relating to the Sirmium area and the populations who lived there and their relationships between late antiquity and the early Middle Ages, at least until the Lombards erased the Gepids from history.

Furthermore, in 2022 Gennari published in the magazine Monete Antiche anno XXI n. 121, January/February 2022 pp. 31-39 a preliminary article, short but already very in-depth, on the fakes in this category of Sirmium Group coins entitled FAKES AND POSSIBLE FAKES IN THE “SIRMIUM GROUP” COIN SERIES: PRELIMINARY NOTE.
Unfortunately it is not available in digital version but only in paper version.
In fact, there are many fakes going around, most of them of Balkan production. Ebay is full of them, but not only that they can also be found at auctions, thanks to the fact that this coinage is relatively little studied, that many studies exist and that a good part of them are in Italian and Croatian. Just a few days ago I notified an auction house of a modern Balkan fake in one of their auctions and I was proved right.
Here I regret to inform you that the coin mentioned above, after careful studies of concatenations of dies, was found to be fake according to this scholar. 😢
Obviously it is not possible to reproduce the article for copyright reasons but you can see your coin presented in nr 9.5
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Personally, I agree with him even though I have neither the qualifications nor the experience equal to his, even though I have been investing at least an hour every day for 3 years to find coins on the internet and in various publications to catalog and study from point of view of style, connections and related relationships.

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My latest medieval:

ITALY, Brindisi mint. Frederick II of Swabia (1197-1250). Denario 1221.
D/ Cross patent. All around legend: +REXSICILIE
R/ The letters F.R All around legend: +IMPERATOR
Spahr 109; Travaini 1993 23; D'Andrea 115.MI. 0.88g. Ø 18.50 mm.

Golden patina. EF.

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On 7/8/2024 at 5:55 PM, Vel Saties said:

My latest medieval:

ITALY, Brindisi mint. Frederick II of Swabia (1197-1250). Denario 1221.
D/ Cross patent. All around legend: +REXSICILIE
R/ The letters F.R All around legend: +IMPERATOR
Spahr 109; Travaini 1993 23; D'Andrea 115.MI. 0.88g. Ø 18.50 mm.

Golden patina. EF.

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Very nice coin! Coins from Frederik II are most interesting because of Frederik II himself. He was seen in his time as 'wonder of the world'. And this does not seem like an exaggerated title. It is also said that the Renaissance began with Frederick II. Many books have been published about his extraordinary life, and Frederick II certainly belongs in the ranks of Augustus, Charlemagne, and Napoleon. His gold coin (the first since the later Middle Ages), inspired by Roman examples and Charlemagne's portrait denarius, is also very interesting for coin enthusiasts. If I were to choose a medieval coin collection theme again, it would probably be coins of Frederick II. See also: https://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?pid=snr-003:1976:55::242#82 and the attached file. Enjoy your coin!

Frederick_II_of_Hohenstaufen_1208-1250.pdf

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Very nice coin! Coins from Frederik II are most interesting because of Frederik II himself. He was seen in his time as 'wonder of the world'. And this does not seem like an exaggerated title. It is also said that the Renaissance began with Frederick II. Many books have been published about his extraordinary life, and Frederick II certainly belongs in the ranks of Augustus, Charlemagne, and Napoleon. His gold coin (the first since the later Middle Ages), inspired by Roman examples and Charlemagne's portrait denarius, is also very interesting for coin enthusiasts. If I were to choose a medieval coin collection theme again, it would probably be coins of Frederick II. See also: https://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?pid=snr-003:1976:55::242#82 and the attached file. Enjoy your coin!

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The augustale is one of the most beautiful coins ever minted

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Opinions from the medieval experts? This coin should be bought (for a present). What value? Is the good condition common or rather rare? Thank you for your opinions.

 

Henry VI, First Reign, Great Britain, 1422 - 1461 AD, Silver Groat, Calais Mint, 27mm, 3.86g, SCBC 1859, North 1446, Obverse: hEhRIC DI GRA REX AhGL Z FRAhC, Crowned bust of Henry facing within tressure of arches, Reverse: POSVI DEVM ADIVTORE MEVM VIL LA CALI SIE, Long cross pattee with trefoil in each quadrant.

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I got myself a common yet iconic type from the Crusades era:

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CRUSADERS, Antioch. Bohemund III .1163-1201. BI Denier (18mm, 0.96 g). +BOAHVHDVS, helmeted and mailed bust left; crescent before, star behind / +A N(retrograde) TI(three annulets)OCHIA, cross pattée; crescent in second quarter.

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I've added a few to my "kings & queens of England" set recently. It's fun to try to get a full run from Ecgberth all the way to Chuck 3!

Pennies of Harold I, Aethelred I and an Edward VI half sovereign. Need to give my wallet a rest though..

Rasiel

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On 7/26/2024 at 10:02 PM, rasiel said:

I've added a few to my "kings & queens of England" set recently. It's fun to try to get a full run from Ecgberth all the way to Chuck 3!

Pennies of Harold I, Aethelred I and an Edward VI half sovereign. Need to give my wallet a rest though..

Rasiel

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Very nice grouping of coins!

Here are my examples of the same monarchs:

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Aethelred I is a tough one.  Most of the early Saxon pennies are wallet crushing 😞

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A not-so-bad specimen of ae4 in the name of vandal king trasamund  Unfortunately the specimen has a very small roundel (9 mm.) and does not present all the obverse legend and types as in the vast majority of cases in these coins. Furthermore the specimen is repatined
Carthage. DN R(E?) [...] (ASA?) Pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right. Rev. Victory advancing left, holding wreath. MEC 1, 19-20; BMC Vandals 32-6. Very fine.
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House of Hohenstaufen (1194-1268), Frederick II (King of Sicily, 1198–1250; King of Germany, 1212-1220; Emperor, 1220-1250), Denaro, Messina or Brindisi, After 1245; BI (g 0,91; mm 17,17); + F ROMANORVM, in field, IPR, Rv. + IERSL ET SICIL R, cross with four crescents. Spahr 135; MEC XIV, 560-561; Travaini, 40. a EF

 

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House of Hohenstaufen (1194-1268), Frederick II (King of Sicily, 1198–1250; King of Germany, 1212-1220; Emperor, 1220-1250), Denaro, Messina or Brindisi, 1247-1248; BI (g 0,77; mm 16,1 x 17,4); + ROM IPERATOR, in field, FR; above horizontal segment, below, star, Rv. + R IERSL’ ET SICIL’, celtic cross. Spahr 143; MEC XIV, 565-566; Travaini 44. Green patina. Good Very Fine.

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Why am I drawn to Papal Bullas? Why do I need another subcollection? Why? Why? Why?

Italian States, Stato Pontificio (Papal States). Eugenius IV (Gabriele Condulmer), AD 1431-1447. PB Seal – Bulla (38mm, 47.84g, 12h). Obv: Bare heads of Sts. Paul and Peter, facing slightly right and left, respectively, each within beaded halo; cruciform scepter between: S PA S PE above. Rev: +/ • EVGENIVS • PP/ • IIII • (Ω over PP). Ref: Serafini 55-9. Gray surfaces, bits of original rope remaining. Very Fine. From the Hutten-Czapski Family Collection. Ex CNG e551 (29 Nov 2023), Lot 747. 

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Blame it on that old crazy bone!

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