catadc Posted May 10 · Member Share Posted May 10 Got this coin last week-end and is currently on the way. Can't wait to see it in hand. It was the main target and I "snacked" on two other coins on my main collecting areas, including a 30 nummi. Here's the coin, described as "Michael IV. the Paphlagonian. (around 1040 AD). Æ Follis. Constantinople. repatinated. 25mm, 4,65g" Nothing special. I do not even collect overstrikes. This is what got my interest: forget rider on dolphin, elephant or on the banal horse - how about a rider on a fantastic creature, and this on a byzantine? Now, try to unsee this: I realize it is childish to get excited by such a coin and by such a reason. On the other hand, I find it satisfying to buy a coin just because you find it interesting, and because why not? The correct attribution - SB 1888, quite clear from the first pic, with the reverse being upside-down. Overstruck on SB 1880 (pic below), which was also overstruck or double-struck (upper torso of Jesus of is visible at the bottom of reverse on first pic). Feel free to post any interesting overstrike or any coin you got because you found interesting. 17 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZ Numismatics Posted May 10 · Member Share Posted May 10 (edited) Great coin! I love it when overstrikes have such clear details of the host coin. Two of my favorite overstrikes are these so-called Proto-Nabataean coins. When the Ptolemies and Seleucids had finally dispersed from Arabia and its environs, there were a bunch of small bronze coins floating around, which the Nabataeans overstruck for their purposes with Athena and Nike. On this one you can see Athena looking up and Zeus looking down, and on the reverse, the eagle's head above Nike, claws below... 99.9999999% of these overstrikes occur on Ptolemaic bronzes, typically issues of Ptolemy III. But I did come across one struck over a Seleucid issue. Here you've got Athena and Antiochus IV (I think) on the obverse, and the reverse die had a chip that left part of his name un-struck. I've never seen another example of these types overstruck on a Seleucid coin... Edited May 10 by JAZ Numismatics 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor KenDorney Posted May 10 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted May 10 Overstrikes are very fun. I’ve got a few like others but I’m at a coin show this weekend and can’t show them. Currently a neat Carausius flip over double strike and some byzantines as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry G Posted May 10 · Member Share Posted May 10 Here are a few of mine! I also have a Carausius antoninianus, but this one has been struck over an antoninianus of Victorinus (his nose is pointing towards 4-o-clock in my picture). I also have this unusual antoninianus of Maximianus, which appears to have been overstruck on a coin with "SEV" on the obverse, and something I can't make out on the reverse. If anyone has any ideas please let me know! 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegandron Posted May 13 · Supporter Share Posted May 13 (edited) Here is one, that was sold to me as JANUS... (I knew that it was not a Janus As... but had to learn what it was all about.) RR Anon AE Sextans-Hieron II Overstrike 214-212 BCE S1211 Cr69-6 This was sold as a Roman Republic Janus Head... none were ever this small. It turns out to be an overstrike of a Roman Sextans over a Syracuse Hieron II. A) Sicily, Syracuse, Hieron II, 275-215 BCE AE head of Poseidon left, rev. IEP-ÙNOÓ, trident flanked by dolphins, Ó[?] below (SNG Morcom 828 var.), dark green patina. Obv. Diademed head of Poseidon left. Rev. IEPΩNOΣ, Ornamented trident head flanked by two dolphins; below, N. OVERSTRUCK by: B) Anonymous AE-Sextans, Sicily, 211-208 BC. Head of Mercury right wearing winged petasos; • • above. Rev. Prow of galley right; grain ear above, IC before, ROMA below. Crawford 69/6b; Sydenham 310d; BMCRR 280. 19mm / 5.3g Sicily Syracuse Hieron II 275-215 BCE AE20 Poseidon Trident Dolphin Left Then Rome conquered them, and overstruck their AE's to make Sextans: RR Anon AE Sextans 211-206 BCE Prob Sicily-Katana mintage Cr 69-6a Sear 1211 But some of the overstrikes were not "too perfect". The Dealer tried to tell me this was a Janiform! It was a cool deal for me... He did not know. Edited May 13 by Alegandron 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegandron Posted May 13 · Supporter Share Posted May 13 No real sentimental value in my coin, however, @TIF graciously performed some great detecting work on my Mercenary War Shekel. This was struck by the OTHER side. I have shown this before, but I really enjoy Carthage Empire coins, and yours is just plain gorgeous! Carthage-LIBYAN UPRISING - Mercenaries issue Mercenary War 241-238 BCE 7.36g AR Shekel Herakles Head in Lion's Head- Lion walking; Punic M above; LIBYA below R SNG Cop 240f Overstrike Coins were struck in the name of Libya and "M", which has been taken as either "machanat" - the Camp (of the mercenaries), or perhaps Matho, their leader @TIF was the savior with some incredible detective work to SOLVE the overstrike / Understrike coin https://www.cointalk.com/threads/overstrike-detective-work.335938/ “ The wheat grains are partly off flan on the example host coin but I think in total it is enough to declare it a definite match for the undertype .” She ultimately deduced the Understruck coin... and I actually have an example in my collection! Bizarre coincidence. Carthage Zeugitania Libyan Revolt AR Shekel 24mm 7.34g 241-238 BCE Wreathed Tanit Horse stndg control mark and Punic M SNG Cop 236 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewomack Posted May 13 · Supporter Share Posted May 13 Overstrikes are usually fun, and sometimes historically significant in determining the order of things. Sometimes they just create really cool abstract art. Sometimes they obliterate both coins into an incoherent mess. Byzantines seem to provide a wide array of overstrikes. For example, this Anonymous Class B has pretty clear remnants of an Anonymous Class A2 beneath it. The obverse at least has a pretty coherent overstrike with good details, but the reverse became pretty garbled. This one was a late Christmas present to myself and it arrived in the mail on December 26th of last year. Romanus III (1028-1034); Constantinople; Æ Anonymous Follis, Class B, Obv: IC to left, XC to right, to bust of Christ, nimbate, facing, holding book of Gospels; Rev: IS XS / BAS ILE / BAS ILE to left and right above and below cross on three steps; 29 mm. 10.2 gm.; Sear 1823 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcwyler Posted May 13 · Member Share Posted May 13 5 hours ago, ewomack said: Overstrikes are usually fun, and sometimes historically significant in determining the order of things. Sometimes they just create really cool abstract art. Sometimes they obliterate both coins into an incoherent mess. Byzantines seem to provide a wide array of overstrikes. For example, this Anonymous Class B has pretty clear remnants of an Anonymous Class A2 beneath it. The obverse at least has a pretty coherent overstrike with good details, but the reverse became pretty garbled. This one was a late Christmas present to myself and it arrived in the mail on December 26th of last year. Romanus III (1028-1034); Constantinople; Æ Anonymous Follis, Class B, Obv: IC to left, XC to right, to bust of Christ, nimbate, facing, holding book of Gospels; Rev: IS XS / BAS ILE / BAS ILE to left and right above and below cross on three steps; 29 mm. 10.2 gm.; Sear 1823 Nice overstrike. What I'm really impressed with, though, is that you got it on December 26th. Here in the UK you'd be lucky to get a delivery before New Year! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_spork Posted May 13 · Member Share Posted May 13 (edited) I am a huge fan of overstrikes, I even co-authored a paper on them with Andrew McCabe some time ago. My favorites are when you have two opposing sides in a conflict overstriking captured examples of each other's coins and here are two of my favorite examples: Rome over Carthage: Roman Republic Æ Semis(11.47g, 27mm). Anonymous, after 211 BC, mint in Southern Italy, Sicily or Sardinia. Laureate head of Saturn right, S behind/Prow of galley right, S above, ROMA below. McCabe Anonymous group H1(half weight overstrikes); Cf. Crawford 56/3 Overstruck on Carthaginian bronze with head of Tanit left/Horse standing right, head turned left. For overstrike, cf Hersh, Numismatic Chronicle 1953, 6; Crawford, overstrikes 31. And Rome over Akarnanian League: Roman Republic Æ Triens(20mm, 5.88g, 12h), anonymous("CA" series), 209-195 B.C., Canusium(?) mint. Helmeted head of Minerva right; above, •••• / Prow right; above, ROMA; below, ••••; to right, CA. Crawford 100/3; Sydenham 309c Overstruck on Oiniadai, Akarnania Zeus/Acheloüs, cf. BCD Akarnania 345-348 for undertype. For CA triens overstruck on Oiniadai cf. Hersh NC 1953, 14 and cf. Crawford Table XVIII, 91 Ex Stevex6 Collection via coin.ages, eBay, January 27 2018, ex RBW Collection, CNG e-auction 364, December 2 2015, lot 90, ex Stacks Coin Galleries, August 20 1986, lot 117, ex Frederick S. Knobloch Collection, Stacks May 4 1978, lot 90 Edited May 13 by red_spork 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broucheion Posted May 16 · Member Share Posted May 16 (edited) Hi All, This overstrike can be used to confirm the order of the controls for the coins of this series. Ptolemy II Philadelphos (285-246 BCE) Cyprus, Uncertain Mint 22 (Probably On Cyprus) Series 2, Bronze Weight Standard 1 - probably early 260s BCE Æ Obol Size: 21 mm Wieght: 9 g Die Axis: 11:00 Broucheion Collection P-2000-10-28.001 OBV: Alexander the Great in elephant scalp headdress facing right wearing scaly aegis tied by snakes. No centration depresion. Dotted border. REV: Εagle on thunderbolt facing left, wings closed; In left field: ΔΙ above grain ear. Legend to left: [ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ]; to right: ΒΑΣΙΛΕ[ΩΣ]. No centration depresion. Dotted border. Refs: Lorber CPE-B318**; Svoronos-382 / Svoronos-363, pl xi. 9; SNG Copenhagen-99 (die axis 12:00) **This coin noted in CPE references description under coins CPE-B110 and CPE-B318 - Broucheion Edited May 16 by Broucheion 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegandron Posted May 16 · Supporter Share Posted May 16 RR Clodius Pulcher T Mallius AR Den 111-110 BCE ERROR Flipover Double-Strike Roma Triga Cr 299-1b S 176 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broucheion Posted May 16 · Member Share Posted May 16 (edited) Hi All, Overstruck coin and its undertype. Æ Hemiobol Ptolemy I Soter (306/305-283 BCE), Egypt, Alexandria / Cyprus? Series 2A: ca 306-294 BCE Size: 17x15 mm Weight: 2.5 g Die Axis: 1:00 Broucheion Collection 2001-02-08.001 Obv: Alexander the Great, diademmed and horned bare head with long, curly hair, facing right. No border visible. Overstruck on coin of Demetrius with reverse prow of ship. Monogram AP and labris below chin (reverse undertype) showing through at base of Alexander's head. Rev: Εagle facing left, wings spread. In right field: ΚΛ above Corinthian helmet. Legend: ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ; to right: [ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ] off flan. No border visible. Refs: Lorber: CPE-B022; Svoronos-171, pl A, 26 [9 listed]; SNG Copenhagen-43 var: different monogram. Undertype: (Æ 17mm; 2.63g; Die Axis:00:00): ET Newell, "The Coinages of Demetrius Poliorcetes," pl. II, 9 & 10. Neither example shows the curving tip of the prow all the way up to the ornament, but 10 shows enough to assure the identification of the undertype. See also Newell 163; SNG München 1056; SNG Alpha Bank 956. Provenances: David Hendin (Ptolemaic coin) Praefectus Coins (Demetrios coin) From CC Lorber - CPE: "Ptolemy’s final currency reform can be dated with precision. The overstriking of bronze coins of Demetrius Poliorcetes with the types of B22 establishes that the reform can be dated no earlier than the Ptolemaic recovery of Cyprus in 294, while the overstriking of Demetrian bronzes with the types of B78 indicates that the process of overstriking the enemy’s coinage continued after the currency reform. The evidence of the overstrikes can be supplemented by control links between the reformed precious metal coinage of Alexandria and issues of Cyprus, Sidon, and Tyre. The earliest Cypriote issues share four of the above-mentioned controls (CPE 217-218, 221-222, 230, 234-236), while the earliest issue of Sidon and the second of Tyre share one of them (CPE 241-242, 244-245). The first Ptolemaic tetradrachm of Tyre (CPE 243), though not involved in this nexus of control links, was closely related to the coinage of Demetrian Tyre but struck on the weight standard of the reformed coinage. The currency reform is thus fixed between the Ptolemaic reconquest of Cyprus and the surrender of Tyre. CC Lorber (2012) has now demonstrated that the latter event must be situated in the immediate aftermath of the victory on Cyprus." - Broucheion Edited May 16 by Broucheion Link 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted May 17 · Member Share Posted May 17 (edited) On 5/12/2024 at 7:53 PM, ewomack said: Overstrikes are usually fun, and sometimes historically significant in determining the order of things. Sometimes they just create really cool abstract art. Sometimes they obliterate both coins into an incoherent mess. Byzantines seem to provide a wide array of overstrikes. For example, this Anonymous Class B has pretty clear remnants of an Anonymous Class A2 beneath it. The obverse at least has a pretty coherent overstrike with good details, but the reverse became pretty garbled. This one was a late Christmas present to myself and it arrived in the mail on December 26th of last year. Romanus III (1028-1034); Constantinople; Æ Anonymous Follis, Class B, Obv: IC to left, XC to right, to bust of Christ, nimbate, facing, holding book of Gospels; Rev: IS XS / BAS ILE / BAS ILE to left and right above and below cross on three steps; 29 mm. 10.2 gm.; Sear 1823 @ewomack, Can't help saying, for Byzantines, this one (pun alert: too late) strikes me as being an especially nice example. From here, the placement and contrast of the reverses seem unusually clean. I can't speak for Classical, but for Byzantine, the range of examples has to evoke peck marks on Viking Age coins. Right, the same kind of sweet spot you mention, between 'evident' and 'intrusive.' In this case, to further wallow in reiteration (sorry), both motifs, not neither. Edited May 17 by JeandAcre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted May 17 · Supporter Share Posted May 17 I love overstrikes! Especially Byzantine. Here are my 2 favorite: Justin II and Sophia AE Half Follis 565-578 AD Thessalonica Obverse: DN IVSTINVS PP AVG, Justin left and Sophia right, seated facing on double-throne, both nimbate, Justin holding cross on globe, Sophia holding sceptre topped by cross Reverse: Large K, ANNO to left, cross above, regnal year "E" to right, officina letter below. (No mintmark on this series) SB 361 Overstruck on: Justinian I 527-565 AD AE 16 Nummi Thessalonica Obverse: DN IVSTINIANVS PP AVG, pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right Reverse: Large I, officina letter to left, star-cross-star above, SP to right, mintmark TES Basil I and Constantine VII AE Follis Constantinople 867-876 AD Obverse: bASILIO S CONSTAN BASILIS, Basil, crowned, bearded and wearing loros on left and Constantine (much shorter), crowned and wearing loros, on right, seated facing on double throne, holding labarum between them Reverse: bASILIO-S CONSTAN-TINOS EN OO-bASILEIS R-OMAION legend in five lines Overstruck on: Theophilus AE Follis 830-842 AD Constantinople Obverse: ThEOFIL' bASIL', crowned, three-quarter length figure of Theophilus facing, pellets on crown, wearing loros, holding labarum and cross on globe Reveres: ThEO-FILE AVG-OVStE SV-nICAS in four lines 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel Saties Posted May 27 · Member Share Posted May 27 The coin is not mine but I am also involved in presenting to you all and in particular to friends interested in the study of the coinage of the 5th-6th-7th centuries this incredible coin which is very important from a historical point of view. This is how the auction house listing describes it Ostrogoths, Anonymous Æ 42 Nummi. Early to mid 6th century. The numerals XLII chiselled on the reverse of a Justinian I 40 Nummi which is overstruck on an uncertain 1st century Flavian as with Victory reverse. For other examples of Flavian Victory type countermarked with XLII cf. MEC 80-81; for host coin cf. MIBE 214; Sear 294. 7.84g, 28mm, 12h. Very Fine. Extremely rare and a most unusual double overstrike. Of considerable numismatic interest. Ex Morton & Eden, Auction 83-84, 1 December 2016, lot 502; Ex Casey collection. Victory's hand holding a wreath can be seen atop the letters AVGVS behind D N IVSTI on the obverse and traces of the legend are visible on the reverse at 7h within the wreath. In reality this attribution is incorrect as it is a Byzantine 40 nummi follis from the Rome mint of Justinian I re-minted on a Flavian bronze (of which the legend can be glimpsed on the obverse) countermarked XLII, follis whose minting must be placed between the 537 and the early 40s of the 6th century (544 in DOC, 542 in MIBE). This is exactly the specimen published in: M. ASOLATI 2018, Nuove scoperte sulle monete bronzee d'età im periale con contromarche XLII e LXXXIII, in A. V1- GoN1 (ed.), Percorsi nel passato. Miscellanea di studi per i 35 anni del Gr.A.V.O. e i 25 anni della Fondazione ColIuta, Rubano (PD), pp. 253-265. M. ASOLATI 2021, Una moneta ostrogota contromarcata e la sequenza delle emissioni anonime da 40 e da 20 nummi, in Traces of Complexity. Studi in onore di Armando De Guio / Studies in honour of Armando De Guio, a cura di L. MAGNINI, C. BETTINESCHI, L. BURIGANA, Mantova 2021, pp. 361-372 (ISBN 978-88-99547-52-3)M. ASOLATI, A countermarked Ostrogoth coin and the sequence of anonymous issues of 40 and 20 nummi, in Traces of Complexity. Studies in honor of Armando De Guio / Studies in honor of Armando De Guio, edited by L. MAGNINI, C. BETTINESCHI, L. BURIGANA, Mantua 2021, pp. 361-372 (ISBN 978-88-99547-52-3) to figure 5 and which would be evidence (I'll keep it short) of the fact that the countermarked coins are an Italic affair, geographically speaking, and an Ostrogothic one (tot vandal), in terms of cultural horizon. Asolati says: The probability that the sequence of manufacturing of this specimen is different (with the countermarking following the re-minting) is completely remote and therefore also the possibility that the phenomenon took hold in the era following that of Justinian. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Julius Posted May 27 · Member Share Posted May 27 (edited) On 5/10/2024 at 5:17 PM, Harry G said: Here are a few of mine! I also have a Carausius antoninianus, but this one has been struck over an antoninianus of Victorinus (his nose is pointing towards 4-o-clock in my picture). I also have this unusual antoninianus of Maximianus, which appears to have been overstruck on a coin with "SEV" on the obverse, and something I can't make out on the reverse. If anyone has any ideas please let me know! @Harry G For the Maximian, since the Serverans weren’t minting coins with flans like this, the likely personality on the undertype that matches the flan type is Severina, wife of Aurelian. Edited May 27 by Orange Julius 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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