Ten-Speed Posted July 8 · Member Share Posted July 8 (edited) In addition to minting coins, the Papal States and Vatican have also produced medals (some very artistic) that bring out themes of a particular papacy or of the times. This bronze medal was produced during the reign of Pope Pius IV (1559-65). When he took office, the Reformation had been in full swing for several decades, and the Counter-Reformation was beginning to become forceful. Pius IV had excellent training in law and during his reign he re-convened the stalled Council of Trent. Documents of this Council are very legalistic and were the major source of dogma within the church until Vatican II, beginning in the 1960s. Sadly this medal reflects on the hopes of peace when European wars involved much of the continent, culminating in the early 17th century (Thirty Years War) where over eight million Europeans perished. Again, this is a coin designed in a similar manner as Roman coins--effigy facing the right and a Greco-Roman goddess (Pax, Roman; Eirene, Greek) on the reverse. I find this intriguing: in a church that once condemned all things pagan, some of the wisdom of the Graeco-Roman world is now prized. Much of this developed, of course, in the late Middle Ages and the centuries of the early Renaissance. (Perhaps this was one step toward including the wisdom of other cultures, now called "The Big Tent" philosophy of being open to other ways of doing things.) Do you have any Vatican medals or coins? (Especially those bringing in Roman or Greek culture?) Any Roman coins with Pax? Edited July 8 by Ten-Speed 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expat Posted July 8 · Supporter Share Posted July 8 (edited) The Vatican medals are normally well designed and struck. Have some good eye appeal. I don´t have any Vatican examples, but as you asked for a Roman coin with PAX also, here is one TACITUS Antoninianus. Ticinum mint. Obverse: IMP C M CL TACITVS AVG. Radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust right. Reverse: PAX AVGVSTI. Pax standing left, holding olive branch and transverse sceptre; P in exergue. RIC 150, Cohen 72. Ticinum mint, early-June 276. 3,5 g - 22,5 mm Marcus Claudius Tacitus was Roman emperor from 275 to 276. During his short reign, following the death of Aurelian, he campaigned against the Goths and the Heruli, for which he received the title Gothicus Maximus Born: 200 AD, Terni, Italy Died: June 276 AD Tyana, Cappodocia, Turkey. Siblings Florianus Reign: c. December 275 – c. June 276. His Regnal name is shortened in the obverse Legend: IMPerator Caesar Marcus CLavdius TACITVS AVGustus. Edited July 8 by expat 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akeady Posted July 8 · Supporter Share Posted July 8 (edited) I have a side collection of papal medals - 19th and 20th centuries, many of which have detailed renderings of buildings restored during the reigns of the pontiffs issuing the medals. I have a few more, but not to hand at the moment - a few non-papal types have sneaked in here too! Here's one with some personifications, with the relevant page in Bartolotti. Both sides (it's the silver version, but very dark): I've got to some of the places depicted on the coins - I overpost a nice silver medal of the Basilica of St. Laurence (https://www.tantaluscoins.com/coins/105937.php) with a photo' of the interior which matches the medal quite well. Here's a chapel in Santa Maria Maggiore (Pius IX, year XXVII) - I was there last month, but I don't have a photo': Here's one of Pius XI of the Holy Door in St. Peter's - the 2022 photo' is of the Filarete door, from the original St. Peter's. I pick up the architectural types when I can. ATB, Aidan. Edited July 8 by akeady 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrefn Posted July 8 · Supporter Share Posted July 8 There is a long tradition in the West of using motifs of pagan origin in the visual arts, usually in an allegorical sense. Here is a gros of the city of Rome from the 13th century. During an era when you might expect the religious element to predominate in the design, here non-religious imagery dominates. The obverse shows the figure of Roma, originally an actual goddess, seated on a throne very reminiscent of contemporary Byzantine coins, but on which it would be common to see either Christ or the Virgin Mary seated. Here is a gold coin of Isaac II showing Mary, contrasted with the silver gros which has re-purposed this religious imagery. We see the figure of Roma holds an orb, the emblem of sovereignty. Usually, we would expect a globus cruciger, as held at this time by centuries of emperors and kings. Instead we see the naked orb of power. The palm branch is a sign of victory, frequently associated with the triumph of Christian martyrs. But here the palm would make no sense as a sign of martyrdom, and is clearly a palm of secular victory. The inscription reads ROMA CAP: MUNDI, for Roma Caput Mundi, Rome the head or leader of the world, a phrase which was coined by the pagan Roman poets. The reverse of the coin does not show a cross, as we would expect from the usual design of contemporary gros like these of France, Cyprus, Naples and other Latin principalities: Instead we have a lion, and the abbreviated inscription Senatus PopulusQue Romanum, SPQR, the senate and people of Rome. A pre-Christian formulation. If it were not for the small crosses which initiate the inscriptions on both sides of the coin, there would be nothing obviously Christian about this coin, at all. The crosses seem almost incidental. Remove them, and there is nothing Trajan Decius or Diocletian would find objectionable. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten-Speed Posted July 8 · Member Author Share Posted July 8 (edited) 3 hours ago, akeady said: I have a side collection of papal medals - 19th and 20th centuries, many of which have detailed renderings of buildings restored during the reigns of the pontiffs issuing the medals. I have a few more, but not to hand at the moment - a few non-papal types have sneaked in here too! Here's one with some personifications, with the relevant page in Bartolotti. Both sides (it's the silver version, but very dark): I've got to some of the places depicted on the coins - I overpost a nice silver medal of the Basilica of St. Laurence (https://www.tantaluscoins.com/coins/105937.php) with a photo' of the interior which matches the medal quite well. Here's a chapel in Santa Maria Maggiore (Pius IX, year XXVII) - I was there last month, but I don't have a photo': Here's one of Pius XI of the Holy Door in St. Peter's - the 2022 photo' is of the Filarete door, from the original St. Peter's. I pick up the architectural types when I can. ATB, Aidan. The St. Mary Major brings back memories. I was teaching a class of USA students and we stayed in a little hotel (these have a name, I've forgotten) across from Mary Major. We had many good talks sitting at the outside tables across from the basilica, nourished by pizza. If I remember--it was the Borgia Chapel--it was like being in a jewelry box and it reminded me of the fabled "Amber Room." I also kept wondering what it looked like when it supposedly snowed there around the 3rd or 4th centuries.Your collection is stunning and I'd say it was a careful specialization. BTW--is the page above from the Muntoni volumes? Thanks very much for a view of the medals and your experiences in in Rome! Edited July 8 by Ten-Speed 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten-Speed Posted July 8 · Member Author Share Posted July 8 3 hours ago, Hrefn said: There is a long tradition in the West of using motifs of pagan origin in the visual arts, usually in an allegorical sense. Here is a gros of the city of Rome from the 13th century. During an era when you might expect the religious element to predominate in the design, here non-religious imagery dominates. The obverse shows the figure of Roma, originally an actual goddess, seated on a throne very reminiscent of contemporary Byzantine coins, but on which it would be common to see either Christ or the Virgin Mary seated. Here is a gold coin of Isaac II showing Mary, contrasted with the silver gros which has re-purposed this religious imagery. We see the figure of Roma holds an orb, the emblem of sovereignty. Usually, we would expect a globus cruciger, as held at this time by centuries of emperors and kings. Instead we see the naked orb of power. The palm branch is a sign of victory, frequently associated with the triumph of Christian martyrs. But here the palm would make no sense as a sign of martyrdom, and is clearly a palm of secular victory. The inscription reads ROMA CAP: MUNDI, for Roma Caput Mundi, Rome the head or leader of the world, a phrase which was coined by the pagan Roman poets. The reverse of the coin does not show a cross, as we would expect from the usual design of contemporary gros like these of France, Cyprus, Naples and other Latin principalities: Instead we have a lion, and the abbreviated inscription Senatus PopulusQue Romanum, SPQR, the senate and people of Rome. A pre-Christian formulation. If it were not for the small crosses which initiate the inscriptions on both sides of the coin, there would be nothing obviously Christian about this coin, at all. The crosses seem almost incidental. Remove them, and there is nothing Trajan Decius or Diocletian would find objectionable. Thank you for posting these. I would be fascinated if you had others you might post sometime and similarly explain. Again, thanks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten-Speed Posted July 8 · Member Author Share Posted July 8 4 hours ago, expat said: The Vatican medals are normally well designed and struck. Have some good eye appeal. I don´t have any Vatican examples, but as you asked for a Roman coin with PAX also, here is one TACITUS Antoninianus. Ticinum mint. Obverse: IMP C M CL TACITVS AVG. Radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust right. Reverse: PAX AVGVSTI. Pax standing left, holding olive branch and transverse sceptre; P in exergue. RIC 150, Cohen 72. Ticinum mint, early-June 276. 3,5 g - 22,5 mm Marcus Claudius Tacitus was Roman emperor from 275 to 276. During his short reign, following the death of Aurelian, he campaigned against the Goths and the Heruli, for which he received the title Gothicus Maximus Born: 200 AD, Terni, Italy Died: June 276 AD Tyana, Cappodocia, Turkey. Siblings Florianus Reign: c. December 275 – c. June 276. His Regnal name is shortened in the obverse Legend: IMPerator Caesar Marcus CLavdius TACITVS AVGustus. Thanks for putting this up. I find it so interesting that the Church befriended (is this the right word?) some of the great classical themes. I have a 20th century Vatican coin around here with Prudentia (Prudence), if I can locate it I'll post it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akeady Posted July 8 · Supporter Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, Ten-Speed said: The St. Mary Major brings back memories. I was teaching a class of USA students and we stayed in a little hotel (these have a name, I've forgotten) across from Mary Major. We had many good talks sitting at the outside tables across from the basilica, nourished by pizza. If I remember--it was the Borgia Chapel--it was like being in a jewelry box and it reminded me of the fabled "Amber Room." I also kept wondering what it looked like when it supposedly snowed there around the 3rd or 4th centuries.Your collection is stunning and I'd say it was a careful specialization. BTW--is the page above from the Muntoni volumes? Thanks very much for a view of the medals and your experiences in in Rome! Plenty to see in the Eternal Cty 🙂 The page is from Bartolotti - on the right - Annual medals from Paul V to Paul VI. I don't have any older than the mid-19th century. ATB, Aidan. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten-Speed Posted July 9 · Member Author Share Posted July 9 (edited) 22 hours ago, akeady said: Plenty to see in the Eternal Cty 🙂 The page is from Bartolotti - on the right - Annual medals from Paul V to Paul VI. I don't have any older than the mid-19th century. ATB, Aidan. These go further back in time, but I thought you or others might be interested in them. I have heard somewhere that one can now read copy into Google Translate and it will do a translation. This is on my list of things to try out. For me it would really open up more things to research, as most of the writings on these seem to be in Italian. Panorama Numismatico is published by the auction house Nomisma SPA in San Marino. As you can see from the cover of this magazine, there are articles on papal medals, and coins, too: Here is is the book "Roma Resurgens: Papal Medals From the Age of the Baroque" published by University of Michigan Art Library. It is a dense book but the reader is rewarded with a rich overview of the history of the times of the medals, as well as the perspective from art history about the medals themselves. Following is a catalog from Nomisma SPA focusing on Papal coins and medals. H Edited July 9 by Ten-Speed 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akeady Posted August 31 · Supporter Share Posted August 31 Some more arrived today. The first one I've photographed properly. Plus IX, annual medal of 1874 marking restoration work on Basilica of Santa Maria in Trastevere. ATB, Aidan. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akeady Posted August 31 · Supporter Share Posted August 31 Another from the group - Gregory XVI, 1832. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominus1 Posted August 31 · Supporter Share Posted August 31 ..man, how did i not see this thread?!......Pope Pivs IIII?...lQQk no further than my avatar( i'm collecting Medici)...and....and i'm in the market for a couple of medals meself...:) (i argue with myself about buying metals when i collect coins9_9) you and @akeady have very nice metal collections... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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